Apple has made no more than $20-45m in revenue from the app store May 13, 2009
Posted by jeremyliew in apps, iphone.trackback
About a month ago Apple announced that one billion iphone apps have been downloaded in the first nine months. That’s an amazing number. I wondered how much money Apple was making from the app store.
Although it’s hard to come by the definitive ratio of free to paid paid to free apps, talking to industry participants I got estimates in the 1:15 to 1:40 range. So that suggests that between 25-60m paid apps have been sold.
O’Reilly recent did a survey of iphone apps and noted that the mean price for paid apps is $2.65:
The weighted average price for paid apps is probably lower than this as the median is $1.99 and there is significant price elasticity for iphone apps, but let’s go with the $2.65.
Multiplying this by 25-50m paid apps, that suggests that the cumulative revenue from iphone apps is around $70-$160m. Apple gets 30% of this so Apple has probably made around $20-45m from the billion iPhone apps downloaded. (Note that if you use an assumption closer to $1.50 for weighted average app price, then this estimate drops to around $12-27m).
Now it’s worth noting that it took 6 months to hit 500m app downloads, and only three months for the next 500m app downloads, so Apple’s revenue run rate is higher than this.
Given that Apple sold 13.7m iPhones in 2008, the app store is not a meaningful direct contributor to their overall revenue. Much like iTunes, Apple is using the App Store to drive demand for their hardware.
The biggest assumption here is the ratio of free to paid apps, so if any readers have better data on this, please comment.
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The revenue does seem low.
That said, I wouldn’t be surprised if we saw it increase 1-5x once subscription pricing is launched (and used by developers in a meaningful way).
@Ashish – I agree, the game will change once in-app purchases are allowed. Note that there isn’t a true “subscription” model being implemented, only the capability of building one.
It’s tough to make a living off of .99 cent sales, but being able to drive your per-user revenue up to $10-$20/mo from the initial sale is a welcome change.
Part 2 of the plan is that they are significantly enlarging the population of developers who know the Cocoa frameworks and the rest of the Apple tool chain. I’m not just talking about the nincompoop fart-app and other show-1-picture-play-1-sound app developers, but some truly competent developers.
Also there are about 600,000? registered apple developers for iphone, who like myself have paid the $99 fee to join. So there is a nice chunk of change…
@ Ryan – Interesting – so Apple has made more from developers than they have from people buying iphone apps!
The only problem is they say they have 800,000 registered and other places I have seen 60,000, unclear on paying devleopers. I would say it is at least 60,000, still that is around $5. I think it wont’ be much down the road but it might have made it more economical at the start.
If there are 35000 apps probably 60,000 ish seems right. Need to research it more. Still 60,000 * 99 = $5.9m
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Really? I heard they have 10 Billion developers, and people were downloading 50000x more paid apps than free. I guess we can all make up numbers.
Your analysis is slightly interesting, but there is only so much you can do when you don’t have ANY hard numbers (except for the 1 Billion).
And you are only looking at direct payback, not even the people at Apple can calculate how it has increased sales of iPhones/Touches (though I have no doubt you will try to work it out, possible pulling more numbers from your arse!)
The 1 billion isn’t the only hard number. There are 35,000 apps, with an average price that can calculated. There is the known preference for free apps over paid apps (you can quibble about how big the preference is, but that just gives you a range instead of a hard number, as he’s done here.) There is the number of iPhones sold: 17M as of March, according to Apple. And there are published surveys about iPhone user habits: percentage that pay for apps, number of downloads, etc. And if you look at all those numbers, this analysis is in the ballpark.
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i think you are very wrong. Didnt Jobs annouce himself by the end of last year that they are making 30M per month ? He was expecting 300-500M revenue for the first year but that was month ago, expectations now a around 800M for the first year. Thats still only a small chunk of their overall revenue, but definatly not lousy 50M per year.
read this:
http://www.intomobile.com/2008/08/11/apple-sees-30-million-in-appstore-first-month-revenue-iphone-applications-bring-in-1-million-every-day.html
30M in the first month alone.
He didn’t say whether the $1M/day was net or gross, and being Steve Jobs, he would pick the number that puts Apple in the best light. Since then, they haven’t said a word about App Store revenues, which tells us that this information would put them in a bad light.
Also, the $1M/day was an average that included launch day. It’s likely that the average went down after that as the effect of the launch day spike was spread over a broader timeframe.
Well, as Mark said I think iphone app store is not really about the iphone, is about building a site and infrastructure devoted to selling normal apps on the mac over internet.
Itunes is the biggest online music store in the world and they want to become the number one online app selling too. That’s it, selling adobe photoshop, or cubase program. That’s huge, there are millions of computers out there and it means a lot of bandwidth and the servers had to be big.
Is about being an amazon of apps instead of books, they are making it without competitors realizing until they are late, in Spain we call it hunting without lifting the hare.
Jose is right here… The Phone is the first piece of the AppStore. Our design firm, like many others, has now spent significant time over the past year moving our 3D, Flash, Actionscript, .NET, and Photoshop gurus over to iPhone-useful skills sets. If Apple gives us a way to do console games or Mac software as simply as the AppStore is for the phone, we are ready to take advantage and have the in-house knowledge now. I can’t say that for native Windows 7 or Linux apps, though we are Adobe AIR experts as well.
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“Software sells systems”
To see the app store as just the money coming in from the apps is selling it short and being short-sighted –
What’s the value of locking in customers to the platform through their prior app purchases?
What’s the value of the ecosystem to the user?
etc.
Jobs didn’t say they were doing it for a profit, the 30% slices wasn’t for that.
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From a user point of view, I see a limited market for subscription apps. I also see no problem with the fact that Apple hasn’t made a lot of money on the App store. The function of the App store is to drive sales of the iPhone and the iPod touch which DO make a lot of money for Apple. As long as it can do that, it is doing it’s job. Anything else is gravy.
The way I see it, the App Store is a gives people a great reason to buy iPhone and iPod Touch and a more important revenue number is how many devices were sold because of the App Store amenity. I know the App Store was a major reason we chose Mac over BlackBerry and Windows Mobile.
VC guys…stating the obvious.
There’s an app for that!
I call BS on your numbers.
CUPERTINO, Calif. — Apple Inc.’s bet on cellphone software appears to be paying off.
In the month since Apple opened an online software clearinghouse called the App Store, users have downloaded more than 60 million programs for the iPhone, Chief Executive Steve Jobs said in an interview at Apple’s headquarters. While most of those applications were free, Apple sold an average of $1 million a day in applications for a total of about $30 million in sales over the month, Mr. Jobs said.
SJ said 1M a day and the rate of download has increased. On my own phone I have 24 of 55 downloads are paid apps. I probably buy more then most but I think 15 free to 1 paid is way off.
Just for accuracy’s sake you should amend the post to note that the 1:40 (or thereabouts) is the estimated ratio of paid to free apps, not the ratio of free to paid apps. Yeah, it’s a tiny detail, but this is a post about tiny details… Great analysis.
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Its an amazing business, the not even develop the apps, Its simply brilliant, I think they always had the key to great products, and still do.
Great post
I think ryan and jeremyliew are heading in the right direction. taken individually, Apple doesn’t make significant money on any of it’s iphone application activities. but it takes user adoption to drive development to increase application choice to expand adoption. together, that’s some serious money.
then when they come out with new devices that utilize the same dev tools, the base is there.
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Let me point you toward a more realistic evaluation of the App store via Seeking Alpha
http://seekingalpha.com/article/131730-how-much-profit-is-apple-making-from-the-app-store
As Apple moves toward its billion downloads, it has listed the top paid and free applications. Table 1 shows an estimate of more than $40 million in revenue for the Top 20 applications alone. This is not inconsistent with the idea that one billion downloads, including more than 10,000 paid applications, could total $500 million or more.
Apple has earned more than 40M from the top 20 paid applications
yea apps arent were theyre making money, its a reverse razor and blade strategy that fuels iphone sales
sell an expensive razor (iphone) and give away cheap blades (apps) rather than vice a versa
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I never thought that the point of the App Store was as a standalone profit center. It’s there to make using the iPhone and iPod touch more attractive. And it’s working, in ways not fathomed when the devices were launched. (For example: Newsweek reports that the iPod touch in particular is, because of the apps found at the App Store, replacing thousands of dollars’ (and several kilos’) worth of gear for US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and elsewhere. Carrying around a touch with a solar charger: about sixteen ounces and $500. That frees up a ton of space for food/water/etc.)
We have been running a very successful Gas Price application in Europe, for a few months. The application allows end-users to access real-time gas prices, and see the cheapest gas stations around them. We originally gave away the application free of charge.
Two weeks ago, we decided to raise the price to 0,79 euro.
The traffic has been divided by 15.
In a couple of weeks, we will launch the same application in various European countries, at different price points (from 0.79 euro to 3 euros), and will get more information about price elasticity. We’ll keep you posted 😉
Just like iTunes, it’s more important to build the App Store as a dominant distribution channel over a giant revenue making operation. The growth of the double sided network drives sales of the healthy profit margin making iPhone/Touch.
It’s not typical in Apple’s strategy to make huge cash on software or content but in it’s hardware.
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I’ve seen a 7.5 to 1 ratio of free to paid apps. This is from PinchMedia, who would have a good idea as they have a strong user-base in the iPhone community. This still only means about $85M in revenue from the AppStore, which is probably right around break even.
I break this down plus some other data and analysis on how to build an iPhone business here:
Interesting analysis.
To be honest though, I think that you are taking the wrong perspective when you say “the app store is not a meaningful direct contributor to their overall revenue.”
Specifically, it is flawed to artifically develop a financial disconnect between iPhone sales and the App Store. If you want to value the App Store–and its contribution to overall revenue–you need to only know how much money in sales it has generated and subtract the cost of maintaining the store. Other than that utterly simplistic analysis, it is impossible to subtract the value that the App Store adds to the iPhone — and the effect this has on sales.
As an example, no matter how sexy the newest MacBook is, if it ran on Vista sales would be impacted dramatically.
The point is, EVERYTHING is tied together for Apple (as you identified above) so trying to determine value other than operational costs and revenue is always going to be indeterminate.
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Pinch Media released some numbers based on their iPhone app analytics platform: Free to Paid ratio they see in downloads is 7.5 to 1.
http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/19/pinch-media-data-shows-the-average-shelf-life-of-an-iphone-app-is-less-than-30-days/
See slide 22 in the embedded presentation in the above article.
This pushes Apple’s share of the revenue up to $60M ($1.50) to $106M ($2.65).
The breath and quality of the apps gives Apple a huge advantage over other smartphone manufacturers in attracting and retaining customers for i-phones.
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It’s the ratio paid to free apps, not the ratio free to paid apps. Sucker fool.
A few people have pointed out that Apple announced $30m in revenue in the first month alone. Note that this number is before the 70% payment to the developer.
As the embedded chart on pricing shows, average price of apps has dropped signficantly since launch. Also, the ratio of free to paid apps has grown over time
Pinch Media said that they saw a 7.5:1 ratio for Unique users of free to paid apps. That is different from download ratios. It’s reasonable to think that paid app users use their apps more than free app users as many free apps don’t hold users attention for long (as per Pinch Media report) so this isn’t inconsistent with a 15:1 to 40:1 install ratio.
Seeking Alpha analysis is pretty interesting but assumes a 50c average price for all apps (free and paid). That seems high
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Just like iTunes, they are opening this gradually. The store is paying for itself, and driving sales of some key products, just as with iTunes driving iPod sales. They will grow it big time soon. Perhaps there will be a snow leopard store? Perhaps they will have an installer for the generic PC that checks to see if they have the hardware, then installs snow leopard from said store? Laugh if you like, but it’s all possible.
ps. Either way it’s a ratio.
The analysis seems thoughtful and accurate in terms of net revenues received by Apple. It’s reasonable then that Apple is encouraging gaming developers to use sell apps and then use the 3.0 payments platform to upsell. So the game has really just begun for the App store to make some real dollars. That being said, per your post, who cares when you can make tons more money changing colors/improving the camera and selling more hardware!
I deffinatly thought it would be more
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whether $12m or $60m, it’s all still profit adding to the BILLIONS in cash they are sitting on. And it’s just another of their revenue streams. If it’s in the black, does anybody really care how much it is?
wether it’s $20M or $50M, it really does not matter. This is real revenue and the margins are rich. I believe this is one of the most brilliant business models as Apple is getting paid for other people to make their device cooler and coveted.
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Anyone including the people, hardware, and software (development) charged to running the app service?
I agree with some of the other comments already made – Apple are making money here largely off the work of others, and not inconsiderable money at that. I think Apple have a fairly viable revenue building model here.
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Jeremy – unique users isn’t the same thing as ‘sessions’, and it’s pretty tightly correlated with installs when we’ve gotten actual sales figures from developers. Piracy inflates paid unique users somewhat, but not dramatically. In other words, I think your ratio is off a fair bit.
In fact, when we look at the numbers today – with a much bigger sample size than what was used in that report – we see increased movement towards paid purchases. Not at all what I expected. It seems users are increasingly likely to make repeatedly impulse buys at low price points.
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The mean price of 2.65$ is the mean price for apps in the top 100 list. This is a biased estimate of the mean price of paid apps overall. I would expect the overall mean price to be significantly higher.
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After reading your top down calculation in your blog about the App store revenue, I started looking into our data set (Flurry Analytics). For starters, I agree with your equation:
(1B downloads) x (% of which are Paid) x (Average Selling Price) x (30% Apple Rev Share) = Apple App Store Revenue to date
Testing the Paid to Free assumption, I pulled a sample of high volume apps from our customer base that have both free and paid versions, and observed ratios that ranged from 1:20 to 1:10 or so. There were some outliers, but this seemed to be the middle range. So ultimately I came up with similar numbers to yours. I also agree that the ASP that O’Reilly came up with is a little high. I ran sensitivity on this between $1.49 – $2.49. Plugging these variables into my own model, I came up with revenue generated for Apple by the App Store of about $20 – $60 million, which matches yours.
As you point out, the revenue to date is not indicative of the run-rate, since the store continues to grow at a rapid rate.
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The analysis is flawed.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10013232-37.html
Steve Jobs is on record as stating the App Store made $30 million in the first 30 days.
That’s $9 million in profit. In the first 30 days.
To believe Lieu’s analysis, you would have to believe that Apple pulled in a mere $11 million more in profit over the next 8 months.
How about, EVEN IF revenues stayed flat (despite the fact that downloads grew exponentially), $9 million x 9 months = $81 million in profit.
Or $30 million x 9 months = $270 million in revenue.
Lieu simply outsmarted himself using questionable ratios instead of doing a much more simpler calculation based on a real, factual number.
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Since I started tracking the average price I have noted a $0.30 price erosion since March 1st. They have a LOT of mass in the pipe as well as a ton of velocity on downloads. Question – what about all of the 2.0 apps that will be booted once Apple enforces the 3.0 rule?
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Right now Apple wins by making the iPhone the most developer friendly platform. They will have the most and the best applications. The one with the best Apps, wins.
Surely Apple will make more money from the App Store. Reasons for this to grow:
1) Today’s “Try and Buys” turn into revenue in the future.
2) Strong ISVs will emerge with enhanced products and higher price.
3) Some form of bundling and/or aggregation will occur to create higher priced software collections.
4) More iPhones = more App revenue.
The real pay-off is in the future. Apple will scale the iPhone down in price and up in capacity to create much higher unit volumes and powerful platforms. Following Moore’s law, how long before the iPhone is a complete platform, which users “dock” at home to become the default personal system. App Store revenues will grow in 2 ways:
1) higher unit volume
2) higher priced personal-use SW products
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They’re expanding their business…
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This is great, because of that apple will launch new versions to achieve more revenue.
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Anyone know how much Apple charges per app to developers?
LSVP:
Based on my estimates I built out using top down assumptions from Yankee Group and bottom up assumptions from Bernstein Research. I would agree that relative to the size needed to move the Apple needle, the app store isn’t a major contributor to revenue or EPS, and likely won’t be a major contributor assuming 25% market share as competitors enter which approximates the market share that iTunes has (unless unrealistic assumptions are used, or Apple is able to maintain current levels of market share, which seems economically unfeasible considering the number of entrants into the smart phone market). On a stand alone basis this segment could be worth over a billion dollars if future earnings are capitalized at a market multiple of 17x. The App store is best seen as more of a barrier to entry for competitors as suggested in your post above.
apple makes tooooo much more money from that, with the help of app store. lol
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man I figured they would have made a lot more money from the app store than that
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